looking at all. it's this guy. the little guy there. the special agent in charge. he led the team that apprehended the suspects in the mar busted the most famous gangster in boston history, whitey bulger after a 16-year manhunt. before all this happened this week, what was next was cracking the isabella stewart gardener museum heist, the largest art heist in american history, a $500 million caper that has not been solved for 23 years. rick says the fbi under his leadership after all those years is now making significant progress in that cold case. if rick catches whitey bulger and the boston marathon bombers and ends up cracking the art heist, he will find himself in serious danger of having a statue built somewhere for him somewhere in the great city of boston. seriously, it's time to watch out. thanks for being with us.

msnbc's coverage of this amazing day continues right now. stay with us. >> what began on monday afternoon here in boston a few blocks from where i sit ended tonight. . watertown, massachusetts just across the river when the superintendent of the state police made this announcement. >> woo! >> we are so grateful to be here right now. we're so grateful to bring justice and closure to this case. to those families that lost loved ones, or suffered injuries that they'll live with the rest of their lives, for a police officer, a young man starting a career at m.i.t. and a police officer with the mbta who almost lost his life, and from neighborhoods that lived in fear for an entire day, we are

eternally grateful for the outcome here tonight. we have a suspect in custody. i want to thank all of the partners who worked tirelessly over the last four days, including the fbi, the transit police, our brothers with the boston police department, the u.s. attorney's office, and the support that we've gotten from our governor over the last four days. we are exhausted, folks, but we have a victory here tonight. but let's not forget those people along the way. thanks very much. >> after one of the eeriest days in the history of this city of boston, the first day on which it was legally shut down throughout the day for the safety of the population, indeed, the entire area around here surrounding towns, cambridge, watertown, others were all shut down, people were told to stay home, don't leave

your homes, don't go to work. after all of that and after a suspect was in custody, the governor of this state spoke to the state and nation. >> because of that extraordinary collaboration and cooperation by all of these law enforcement resources and assets and more to the point people, professionals, who brought their "a" game, we have a suspect in custody tonight. it is a night i think we're all going to rest easy. >> the president will be addressing the nation shortly. you see we are down to the white house briefing room waiting for -- ready for him. we are in a noisy crowd here in boston tonight. you've seen the police being applauded in watertown as they were leaving the final scene of what became the strangest week in criminal pursuit that this state and this city has ever seen.

a day that ended with no suspect in custody, we thought. the last press conference that the governor and the law enforcement agents had this afternoon was to report that after a day of locking down the entire city, they had found no one. they then made the announcement that people should feel free to leave their homes but be careful. transportation systems were reopened finally. the entire subway system was closed all day for safety reasons. all of that reopened. and then shortly after all of that reopened, gunfire erupted again in watertown. i think we have some video ready for you to hear the sound of the gunfire as it burst in watertown, literally an uncountable number of bullets. listen to this. [ gunfire ]

>> joining me from watertown, nbc news erica hill. erica, things had changed even before that. the president's in the briefing room now. we'll go to the white house. >> in debt to the people of boston and the people of massachusetts. after a vicious attack on their city, bostonians responded with resolve and determination. . they did their part as citizens and partners in this investigation. boston police and state police and local police across the commonwealth of massachusetts responded with professionalism and bravery over five long days. and tonight because of their determined efforts, we've closed an important chapter in this tragedy. i've been briefed earlier this

evening by fbi director mueller, after the attacks on monday, i directed the full resources of the federal government to be made available to help state and local authorities in the investigation and to increase security as needed. over the past week, close coordination among federal, state and local officials sharing information, moving swiftly to track down leads, has been critical to this effort. they all worked as they should as a team. and we are extremely grateful for that. we owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to all our outstanding law enforcement professionals. these men and women get up every day, they put on that uniform, they risk their lives to keep us safe. and as this week showed, they don't always know what to expect. so our thoughts are with those that were wounded in pursuit of the suspects and we pray for their full recovery. we send our prayers to the collier family who grieved the

loss of their son and brother, sean. he was born to be a police officer, said his chief at mit. he was just 26 years old. and as his family has said, he died bravely in the line of duty doing what he committed his life to doing, serving and protecting others. so we're grateful to him. obviously, tonight there are still many unanswered questions, among them, why did young men who grew up and studied here as part of our communities and our country resort to such violence. how did they plan and carry out these attacks and did they have -- receive any help. the families of those killed so senselessly deserve answers. the wounded, some of whom have to learn how to stand, walk, and live again deserve answers. i have instructed the fbi and department of homeland security and our intelligence community

to continue to deploy all the necessary resources to support the investigation, to collect intelligence, and to protect our citizens. we will determine what happened. we will investigate any associations these terrorists may have had, and we'll continue to do whatever we have to do to keep our people safe. one thing we do know is that whatever hateful agenda drove these men to such heinous acts will not, cannot prevail. whatever they thought they could ultimately achieve, they've already failed. they failed because the people of boston refuse to be intimidated. they failed because as americans, we refuse to be terrorized. they failed because we will not waiver from the character and the compassion and the values that define us as a country. nor will we break the bonds that hold us together as americans.

that american spirit includes staying true to the unity and the diversity that makes us strong, like no other nation in the world. in this age of instant reporting and tweets and blogs, there's a temptation to latch on to any bit of information, sometimes to jump to conclusions, but when a tragedy like this happens with public safety at risk and the stakes so high, it is important we do this right. that's why we have investigations. that's why re-we relentlessly gather the facts. that's why we have courts and that's why we take care not to rush to judgment, not about the motivations of these individuals, certainly not about entire groups of people. after all, one of the things that makes america the greatest

nation on earth but also one of the greatest things that makes fwons such a great city is that we welcome people from all around the world, people of every faith, every ethnicity from every corner of the globe. as we continue to learn more about why and how this tragedy happened, let's make sure we sustain that spirit. tonight we think of all the wounded, still struggling to recover. serm we thing of -- certainly we think of krystle campbell, we think of lingzi lu, we think of little martin richard. their arrives represent the beauty and diversity of our country and hethey were sharing the great american experience together. finally, let me say even as so much attention is focused on tragic events in boston, understandably, we have also seen a tight knit community in texas devastated by a terrible

explosion and i want them to know that they are not forgotten. our thoughts, our prayers are with the people of west, texas, where so many good people lost their lives, some lost their homes, many are injured. many are still missing. i've talked to governor perry and the mayor, and i've pledged that the people of west will have the resources that they need to recover and rebuild. i want everybody in texas to know we will follow through with those commitments. all in all, this has been a tough week, but we've seen the character of our country once more, and as president, i am confident that we have the courage and the resilience and the spirit to overcome these challenges and to go forward as one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and yuts for all. thank you very much, everybody.

>> that was the president in the white house briefing room addressing the nation on seems -- what seems to be the conclusion of this week of tearner boston. it claimed a fourth victim today, mit patrol officer sean collier. he was killed last night by apparently according to the fbi's view of the case, the bombers who planted the bombs in boston on monday who were then on a wild spree last night involving a massive gun battle with police that began almost 25 hours ago right now. joining me now from watertown is nbc news erica hill. erica, just run us through what happened from the point the press conference ended earlier tonight saying that we do not have a suspect in custody, and to the point where the next

press conference is announcing that we do. >> reporter: in that span, it wasn't a huge span of time. just after 6:00, as you can hear, there's a lot of excitement in watertown. you have to remember too, this was a town where people that really followed that rule to please stay in place, to stay in their homes, to stay safe. it was eerily quiet on these streets all day long as we watched officers in full gear going house to house. and there was a press conference -- [ sirens ] >> erica, we're going to come back to you when we can hear you. right now, the celebration as it were of what's occurred in watertown, watertown obviously greatly relieved. the town was locked down all

day. people told that they, above all, more than anyone else in this region should not leave their homes. they were the people in most danger. that turned out to be absolutely true. the suspect was found hiding in a boat that was covered, a covered boat parked on a trailer in a driveway in a backyard in watertown. and that capture occurred just a couple of hours ago in watertown. we are going to be joined now by michael isikoff who has been out in watertown out and around throughout the day. michael, when was the point where it was very clear out there that this really was the final closing in on the final suspect? i guess we don't have michael isikoff. do we have jack cavanaugh?

okay. mr. cavanaugh, when you saw the investigation unfold this afternoon, when did you have the confidence that we were in the final approach to the final suspect? >> you know, lawrence, when the state police superintendent issued the order that people could go back to a sort of norm existence but be on the lookout, you know, that was the time we discussed with some of our colleagues that you know, citizens go back to their house and their garage, they're going to walk by their bushes, and there's a chance this guy's laying in the bushes or hiding behind the garage or stuck under a car or in the back of a pickup truck and covery well be discovered shortly after that sound was up. we discussed twhau chris matthews i think earlier and reverend sharpton, but it is

what happened. a citizen noticed the ladder, the blood trail. he called right away. there happened to be tactical teams from boston police, maciej state police, atf and fbi hrt and they all got there pretty quick. i think it was the massachusetts state police s.w.a.t. who engaged him in some gunfire, and fbi hrt who came around the boat and was able to maybe deploy a flash bang or two and get him out of there. he's wounded. he's in serious condition. certainly we thought he might bleed out, a concern because you can't get up there so fast. but it's good he's alive. that's a good in. he can be debriefed. he's going to give up all his information. that may help us stop the next one. you know, it's about the next one now and it's about keeping boston safe and every other american safe by using leveraging the information we got in this, putting it in our intelligence database and with

our law enforcement so it can't happen again the same way. >> james, i want to go back to that scene at the boat. i hope we can put up some video showing just how big the police presence was on that street where the boat and driveway was located because there's two different ways that kind of boat is stored for the winter, either with empty drained gas thanks or with absolutely topped off full gas thanks. and it seemed that the information that most people had prior to the arrest was that those gas thanks were full and that was, if true, up with of the most serious worries that the officers had approaching that situation with this kind of suspect, wasn't it? >> yes, it certainly is. i mean, all the gas tanks and of course, the problem that he might still have a bomb strapped on him like his brother did. so there was a lot of risk involved. but there also, i think the

commanders on the scene have to weigh the risk whether this guy's going to bleed out and die. tactical teams practice, practice, practice, practice. that's all they do. move quietly fast, they can get intelligence by looking from the rooftops, night vision. so i think they had a pretty good idea that they could slip up on him pretty quick and grab him and they weren't in danger of being blown up by a device. it is risky but they did a good job. ing >> we've got michaelis cough on the phone now at the house where the suspect was apprehended where you're seeing the picture of that boat right now. michael, what's the situation there now? >> reporter: the situation is there's still fbi evidence technicians, police, quite a presence in front of the house. they're here to collect all of of the evidence that needs to be collected in a situation like this. you can't walk right up to the house. they've got us back about maybe

20 yards or so. but you get a sense of just what a major stake out and hostage situation this was. here we are, coming on almost two hours later, there's still quite a large presence here. i have also been talking to some of the people on the street who probably more than anybody, i mean, everybody has just been joyous and celebrating in watertown tonight but nobody feels it more than the people on street who, like everybody else, was holed up all day, started to emerge from their homes just after the governor lifted that -- the instructions to stay inside tonight at 6:00 and then heard the gunshots and were ordered back into their homes and realized it was right on their street that the suspect had holed up.

a lot of them were really frightened, really scared, and didn't know what to think, what was going to happen. some of them i was told, one of the men i talked to said he and his girlfriend were on the floor the whole night because especially when they do flash bangs, they were quite loud. they were designed to startle the suspect and they really rattled all the homes around here. >> michael, i want to go back to that point where the massive amount of gunfire broke out in watertown tonight. i want you to listen to that video, the audio we have of that on video. again, we will talk about it after we hear it one more time.

[ gunfire ] michael, i first heard that on the local channel that captured it, and it was an absolutely stunning sound. hard to believe that there would have been a suspect left alive after that. have you heard anything from law enforcement officials about what happened in the burst of gunfire? as far as we can tell, no one was injured by it. >> no, and we haven't really heard. there's so many unanswered questions about what happened here tonight and last night as well. and it still seems inexplicable that he could have held out that long, that he could have terrorized this entire community by himself, one guy.

this massive police hunt for him, and yet, he was able to survive this long, and even when he's holed up, hold out for as long as he did. and, you know, the fact that they had to resort to those flash banks which are pretty startling, loud noises dined to really rattle somebody in a situation like him and yet, wounded as he was, the guy still held out. so exactly we're going to have to wait because we haven't gotten it yet. >> michael, i'm sorry, i have to interrupt. i am going to pete williams with breaking news for us at this hour. >> lawrence, i don't know if you discussed this much, but the obama administration has made it very clear tonight how this man will be put on trial. they insist he will be put on trial before a regular civilian

court and that -- and you heard a little reference to this during the news conference. he will not be given a miranda warning, he will not be told about his right to remain silent. once he is physically able to answer questions, they will begin to answer questions under a new federal procedure, and mike isikoff who you were talking to is familiar with this, as well because he's reported on its development. the government will invoke something called the public safety rule. it's a court ordered, it's a judge-made rule that says when there is an imminent threat to public safety, when you need to answer questions to make sure there's no additional threat, nobody else, no co-conspirators, no outstanding plots, you can ask someone questions without giving them a miranda warning and all their answers are still add admissible in court.

nobody knows how long the rule will last, starts to fade the moment you invoke it, probably 48 hours is the outer limit. the questioning will be done once it begins by something called high value detainee interrogation group. this was set up by the government and it consists of members of the fbi, cia and defense department. they'll do the initial questioning. and then after that 48-hour or whatever, how many hours of the public safety exception expires, then the government will have to give him the miranda warning and, of course, what happens in many of these cases, it certainly was true of the so-called underwear bomber, people continue to answer questions. mutallab initially resisted, then decided to talk. faisal shahzad wanted to talk. they will proceed in court. this will be somewhat controversial. as you know, there are some republicans in congress who think that terrorist acts should be punished in a military

tribunal. it is complicated because he is an american citizen. the obama administration policy is civilian courts for terrorist acts in the united states. >> pete, how thick is the case law on this not using the miranda warning, how many instances of this do we have that have gone through the system? >> well, it has gone all the way to the supreme court, so there's no doubt that the public safety exception exists, the government has used it before. they exercise it at the beginning and again with abdulmutallab. so that is there. you can understand it in a case like that. in a terrorism case, it makes sense. you're trying to find out are there other plots, are there co-conspirators, are there bombs out there somewhere that they need to be worried about. there's a legitimate public safety consideration and the courts recognize that. so it is pretty hearty. it would i think stand up if challenged in court. >> nbc news' pete williams.

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our live coverage continues now boston. i am joined on the phone from watertown where the suspect was apprehended tonight by susan

mazinski. susan, can you hear me? >> yes. >> susan, as i understand it, your house is right behind the house where the suspect was apprehended? >> no, i am about seven houses away, two kitty corners. you have to go around two bends. but there's a house in the middle that blocked my view of that house. >> okay. and what did you hear tonight? >> we heard a bunch of gunshots. what i say is, when the ban was lifted so when the governor got on and said, here's what the plan is, you know, my first thing was, i'm not going out. but right after the ban was lifted, the helicopter came back, and the helicopter has been, you know, very eerie for me. since last night when the helicopter has been around, my anxiety has gone up. about 20 minutes after governor patrick said everybody can be outside and we had people across town saying great, i'm going out for dinner, i was like i'm not even going to walk my dog. so the helicopter came back.

maybe 20 minutes after that we started hearing gunshots. there were three different rounds. you know, we turned lights off. we had no idea how close it was. they said franklin street and franklin street is the street directly behind ours, but it is a long street and it has cuffs and it turns out it was around the kern, but we could see everything on franklin street. it was a little further down. >> susan, did you hear that very loud burst of what seemed like an uncountable number of bullets that went off right there in that neighborhood? >> so we heard a bunch of things. it was really, i'm out on the streets with about 100 people right now and a bunk of people who are in the neighborhood. and we're trying to figure out the difference of what were the gunshots and what were those loud banks. i think the anxiety was so high up, nobody knew what anything was. we just know this is real, you know, hunker down, and let's

just hope that this is over really soon. >> and have you been watching the television coverage all day of this situation? >> since 1:00 a.m. when my teenage daughter came in, she was on facebook and twitter and said, this is really real. you've got to get up. i can't do this alone. we opened three computers, a few cell phones and an ipad and hunkered down for about three hours, and in that time went down, made sure the doors were locked, heard the helicopters and it has been a really sleepless few days for us. i probably had just under two hours of sleep. >> we've got a live shot now of your neighborhood of some of the officers that are still there and other people have run the same sleep pattern you are. it's interesting you mentioned

1:00 a.m. because that's when the local coverage here in boston, this story went crazy. weren't you getting information delivered that you just could not believe was really happening at that point? >> so my teenage daughter had people tweeting and facebooking on the streets that things were happening last night and so she was trying to understand that, and certainly wasn't going to sleep, kind of said to us i really need you, this is like really real, what's going on in this world, and so for us it was amazingly scary to feel like we have been in the community for years and years. it's a quiet community. just couldn't believe that this was something real. it took the media about an hour to publicly make the connection, but when that helicopter came overhead, which was probably by 1:30, it was pretty clear to me that the anxiety was up and something was probably really linked, but i think -- nobody

was willing to say it out loud if the media wasn't saying there's something real here, when they said it, the anxiety just went up. as i say, you know, the police from all different venues, low, state, national, you know, were on our blocks off and on during the day. >> susan, i can tell you that some of us in the media were saying it to each other right away, especially when we heard the m.i.t. police officer had been killed. that just didn't make coincidental sense, didn't seem like that's an interesting coincidence that that would occur. and susan, your neighbors are all out on the street now trying to put together what you've been through. most of the people stay up all night in your neighborhood? >> you know what, i think there's a range of things. we had friends who slept through it, like they were already asleep by that time, and their ringers were off so the town called everybody at quarter to 3:00 and they missed that, and other people when i was up at

1:30, i saw somebody else on facebook, and we had been talking all day, what was my story, what did you hear. so people around town are calling each other and i think the media has been amazing. so my initial comments wasn't criticism of the media, i think it's really scary to put something out there before it's really confirmed. so it was really -- i think people have really been with us. we have been out here thanking police officers, you know. in some ways there was so much police presence that it allowed a day of high anxiety to feel like, you know, there were really people in this, and if we went downstairs and saw something, someone was there with us. >> and susan, just so the audience realizes what you were going through last night, by 1:30, you had seen on television the first suspect who was apprehended lying face down on

the pavement, video that was right in on him before they picked him up and took him to the hospital where they tried to keep him alive. so it was very clear that this suspect had been captured, that he was one of the suspects for the bombing here in boston. and that was step one. then the suspense became what's the next thing that's going to happen in your neighborhood. i don't see how any of you could have gone back to sleep. >> it was intense, not only double locking of the door, the idea it was night. after the governor spoke tonight and it was getting dark, my anxiety was going up. i thought it is dark. this is really bad. you know, it is one thing in the light, there's much more opportunity. and it was very scary, as i say. we could hear the firing all -- hear the sirens all over town. my daughter heard the initial shots last night. we knew people literally taking photos out their window and pasting them, and we know those

streets. >> a lot of us thought daylight was going to cure this, once the sun came up, that suspect couldn't stay at large very long. you're saying when the sun started to set in watertown and the governor said we don't have him yet, that was something to really worry about there. >> i think so. i think it was a question of he might be here, but he might be in connecticut. at some point i totally respect we needed to move on. i wasn't sure i personally was willing to go out. i don't know how many days it would have taken me, i might have run to my car tomorrow and done a few things, but i wasn't taking my dog on a leisurely neighborhood walk. >> turned out, susan, you were right about the threat level in your neighborhood. susan, thank you for joining us tonight and sharing your experience with us. >> sure, okay, good night. >> thank you, susan. thank you. i was in cambridge this afternoon, near where the suspect who was apprehended tonight went to high school and

i found and talked to two wrestling team teammates of his in cambridge this afternoon. here is what they had to say about their friend. >> this is him right here. >> right there. >> first saw it, i couldn't believe it. >> he was really outgoing, athletic, really intelligent. i didn't think he would do anything like this. >> i honestly feel like something triggered it. he is not the kind of kid would do it. >> what did he say about his older brother? >> he never mentioned his older brother or his background at all. >> did he talk about where he came from before moving to the united states? >> very little. he said he was from russia or something. he didn't want to talk about his past. >> what do you know about his parents? >> he never mentioned anything, never mentioned any background, his family or anything about russia at all. when i first saw him, he looked like an ordinary american to me. he had no accent. he was always happy.

he was party like american kids. >> i'm joined by phone by emily, who was a next door neighbor of the suspects on norfolk street any cambridge. emily lived at 412 norfolk street and shared a courtyard with the suspects who lived at 410 norfolk street. emily doesn't want us to use her last name and we won't. emily, tell us what you know about the family. >> the first interaction i had with the family was when i was coming home and i had two small children at the time, i was bringing groceries in and they saw me from the third floor of their home and came down the stairs and helped me with my groceries and without being prompted, and that honestly was just a sample of what was constantly happening with them. this is such an amazing family. my husband and i talk often that the hospitality we practice

today is basically what we learned from the tsarnaev family we knew the family well. the boys were younger there. tamerlan was in high school, dzhokhar was 8 or 9. tamerlan was the oldest of four children, dzhokhar was the youngest. two daughters in between there. they watched our children and we lived life together and they were just an amazing family and our hearts are broken over all the pain everyone has incurred because of this and because of the fear. i do want to just say that the parents were both lawyers over in russia before they came to america and very intelligent family. in fact, the father was actually beaten almost to death by the kgb for the work he was doing there defending the people, and that's how they came to live

in america. they came as political refugees. so they saw america as a safe haven. they were thankful for america, they loved america. >> emily, can i ask you about the parents? what was interesting to me today in talking to his teammates in cambridge is that they said that he never mentioned his parents. >> i do think that is surprising because they're a very close family. when they came over, obviously the mom and dad were not able to practice law anymore and the father especially because of so much damage that was done to his head. but you know, he reinvented himself and he started work as a mechanic. because of that, he had long hours. that could be part of it, but they are a very close family. i am surprised to hear he never spoke of them. we did dinners with them. >> we're going to be joined -- emily, do you know when they wroubl not living with their

parents now. do you know when the parents stopped living with them there? >> i only know hearsay, they moved a couple years ago back to russia, the mom and dad. and we kept in touch over the years but lost touch in the last three years. we still send christmas cards about you. >> we're going to be joined now -- go ahead emily. >> i'm sorry, the last thing i want to say is this is a peaceful family and we are christian and they're muslim and we broke bread together regularly and they were very peaceful and loving, so i know they're heart broken theory of turn of events of their sons. i just wanted to say that. >> okay. thank you, emily, thanks very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> we are joined by phone by dillon whitaker also on the high school wrestling team with the suspect who was apprehended tonight. dillon, you were the captain of the wrestling team with him, weren't you? >> yeah, that's correct. i was the captain when dzhokhar

was a sophomore. >> tell me what you know about him. and just try to link it to where he was found tonight. this wrestling teammate of yours found bleeding, hiding in a boat after being pursued as a murderer for a week. >> you know, i always thought dzhokhar was one of the most responsible kids on the team. he came to almost every practice. he never sort of quit or gave any weak excuses. he always worked hard. made his weight, very tough kid. never knew him to be malicious in any way. knowing that, knowing him to be like a strong individual, not one to be bullied or swayed by peer pressure, makes it especially surprising to think that he might have somehow been influenced to do something like this. it is so out of character for compared to the kid that i knew for a number of years. i really imagine that something must have changed in his life to motivate him to act that way. what that might have been, i

really can't say, but all i know is that the kid that i knew for two years as a teammate and for several years after that is someone i never would have imagined found himself in this situation. it is shocking to think he might have made the choices to lead him down this road. however -- >> dillon, let me ask about what his other teammates said to me today, two interesting things. neither one of them knew he had an older brother, that he had never mentioned the older brother to them, and neither one of them ever met his parents and never heard him say anything about his parents. was that your experience with him? >> yeah. i can't say that i ever remember specifically meeting his brother, hearing about his brother or his family very much. but i can't say that that was very out of the ordinary. you know, everyone in cambridge comes from various places, everyone has their own family story, their own sort of superb things going on at home.

it is not that unusual to not question each other about it. as teammates, those aren't really the kind of discussions we would have, getting into someone's daily background, knowing about that. we talked about much lighter topics. if it may have come up once or twice, it probably would have been very brief and in passing. i don't find it strange at all that most kids didn't know much about his brother or family except maybe for perhaps those that were kind of his closest friends. >> dillon, i understand how shocking this is for you for him to be apprehended this way tonight. i'm going to ask you, i'm sure others will ask you, you have been asking yourself this. in all the time that you knew him, when you try to look back at it now and see where he was found tonight, is there anything you can look back at in your memory of him and dealing with him that is even slightly in any way a connective thread to any of what we've seen here this

week? >> a lot of people have been asking that and i have been trying to think, honestly, i can't come up with anything. i think that's why it makes it so shocking. as i said, i haven't seen him probably for over a year, maybe a little more, but even the last time i saw him, nothing ever changed. nothing in his personality would have given me any inkling that he might be remotely inclined to do something like this, really makes me say something in his life must have changed and probably most likely recently. i think that's why it came as is up a shock to everyone that he knew. everyone that knew him, why the people you talked to have been so surprised and everything has had nothing but good things to say because that's what we knew him as. >> that is what i heard from adults in the neighborhood, seemed like another kid with a skateboard. no one noticed anything strange about him at all. dillon, thank you very much for joining us. really appreciate it. >> thank you, lawrence.

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or your local dealer. since this program ended last night, it has been an amazing 24 hours here in the boston area. here is a review of what this city has been through. >> breaking news in boston. >> it has been an astonishing night of breaking news. >> m.i.t. campus police officer has been shot and killed. >> the case tonight is linked to

the marathon bombings. >> it all began when the suspects shot and killed an m.i.t. police officer. >> it slowly unfolded into multiple locations. >> they later carjacked a mercedes. >> there was a car chase. >> officers were pulling out, squealing tires. >> there were some explosives. >> throwing explosives at police during a chase. >> at least three explosions and a massive exchange of gunfire. [ gunfire ] >> one suspect has been shot. >> one of the suspects is dead. >> one of the suspects remains at large, having escaped. >> the suspect in the white hat is the one who remains at large. >> the suspects have been identified. 19-year-old dzhokhar tsarnaev. >> a massive manhunt now under way. >> authorities have issued a no-fly zone over the area. >> entire neighborhoods being evacuated. >> convoys of military vehicles, buses of police. >> agents search door to door. >> the entire city of boston now in lockdown.

>> a major metropolitan area, essentially brought to a halt. >> unfortunately we don't have a positive result at this point. >> shots were fired recently in watertown, last two minutes or so. [ gunfire ] >> there are so many police officers here. >> all of a sudden they peeled out of here. >> dzhokhar tarve tar navy pinned down in a boat in a backyard. >> he is alive and in custody. >> suspect two in the bombing was just brought in alive. [ cheers and applause ] >> residents have flooded into the streets to say thank you. >> to those families that lost loved ones and from neighborhoods that lived in fear for an entire day, we are eternally grateful for the outcome here tonight. we have a suspect in custody. >> joined now by bill foray, managing editor of the

"dorchester reporter," and kevin cullen, "boston globe" columnist. this city has never seen a day like this in its history. >> never seen a week like this, lawrence. it's been quite a week. i think you and i talked about this. this is exactly how i thought it would end. >> you sat here each night with 100% confidence there will be arrest, they're going to get them. they're going to get them. we didn't spend time talking about it, we just knew that. >> absolutely. but the other thing, i think that the cheering and the release of nervous energy is natural. but as i sit here, i have to think about sean collier, a kid i remember was a civilian at at the somerville police department and his dream was he wanted to be a somerville cop. he got on -- i remember he told me he got in the academy, he was all excited, then got on m.i.t. police. he recently learned he was going to be on to go to the

summerville police department. i hope posthumously that comes out of it, he's allowed to get that other banl because he was a great kid. he was a terrific kid. >> bill, you were texting last night as this news was developing. you felt right away this was it, with the first reports coming in from m.i.t. >> i did. lawrence, first name that popped in my head was officer tippett after the kennedy assassination and running across, you know, a jittery assassin and unfortunately being the first person to run into him, i fear that may be what happened last night after the revelation of the photos and everything. it just -- the sequence of me hit me in the gut. it was so unusual to happen on an m.i.t. campus, of all places, kendall square. it didn't add up to me. law enforcement did a good job. we were hearing from folks not only on the scanners but just

privately, they knew this was something concrete that they had. >> and we really defined law enforcement in this town this week in a way that isn't often done. it includes the transit police, it includes the m.i.t. police, the harvard police. i went by the harvard campus, harvard cop i know, friend of mine, pulled me over, talked to me. you realize this guy last zplit easily been killed and we don't think of our university police that way normally. >> yeah. he was there, i don't know what the sequence was. still some confusion as to whether the robbery was perpetrated by these guys or not. >> i was told tonight it was not. >> we don't know exactly what happened, but clearly he was the point of the spear last night for us, and he's going to be remembered, unfortunately, for this tragedy. but we also have a casualty among the mbta police department in richard donohue was seriously wounded so --

>> this i think begins for us with the deaths that occurred right over here on monday. >> i was so struck, this kid tamar tamerlan, that was killed this morning, he was 26 years old, very disenchanted with this country. yet this is a country that gave him an awful lot of opportunity. he lived in cambridge, the most welcoming community for outsiders in the world. it is a sanctuary city for immigrants. >> yeah. his neighborhood there is portugese community, just a mix completely diverse place. >> he was very disenfranchised, thought people owed him something, he wasn't appreciated. complained about not having american friends. we know he held extremist views. we have evidence he held extremist views, but the worst thing he did, he brought his brother into this thing. by all accounts, he was fairly normal, captain of wrestling team, going to dartmouth.

but here's the thing when i think about tamerlan being so disenfranchised with this country that he would lash out like this. think of one of the people he killed. ling lu, she came here from china, from a tough place. she saw opportunity, he threw opportunity away and killed that beautiful girl. we should be celebrating, i am glad. we need to remember our dead, we need to take care of our wounded and really take care of first responders. they have seen things this week nobody should see. >> bill, in many ways for the country this is over. it is not over for this community. >> i don't think it is over for the country either. i really don't think that we can say tonight that this is over. i don't think we should. i mean, we don't know that it's over. i certainly don't feel that it's over. it is definitely not over in dorchester and places like that

and cambridge and watertown tonight. we have families who have to bury dead and it is certainly not over in my book. i just learned tonight about a woman, talk about immigrant experience, haitian woman, haitian immigrant who lost her leg on monday. we just learned about it tonight. >> we are learning every day about somebody we know we didn't know was in the hospital. i found out a kid of one of our friends in my hometown got hit with a ball bearing. he's in the hospital, the poor kid. >> 31-year-old and husband on the phone before the arrest saying i hope they get this guy alive. >> so many things happened today that were news worthy to the point of deserving an entire program themselves. including i just want to go back to this lockdown that we lived through today. i started to think, have we ever had anything like it, blizzard of '78, i got trapped here with of father. we were stuck in town. we couldn't get home. lot of people couldn't get home, sleeping in offices. things like that. there was no movement for a couple days.

no movement really. that's what this was, but this was for a reason unlike anything anyone could possibly imagine. >> there were many sections of the city, i was in dorchester, there was no lockdown there. >> the farther south you went. >> yeah. the further you get away from it. i think watertown and parts of cambridge, i think that's an issue. frankly in big chunks of the city. i saw a wedding party in the public garden, they were having a blast. life did go on. >> fan knew -- fannule hall was dead. ash monthe grill, packed. they were anticipating it could be resolved. when it was, big cheers in both places. >> what is next week in this town. >> like i said, we still have to bury our dead. every day people in this town are learning that somebody they knew and cared about was hurt that day. it just still is seeping out one day after another. so we're still dealing with that. i think it is very important what happened today. we can put that behind us, focus on the important things, our